Prayer time apps: why times differ
Two apps show two different times for Subuh, and you need to know which to follow.
Two apps differ because they use different rules, not because one is broken. Match the method and the Asr setting to the times you use at home, and keep them for the whole trip. This guide shows what to check and how to line your app up with the times from JAKIM (the Department of Islamic Development Malaysia).
Why do apps disagree?
| Cause | What it changes | What to do |
|---|---|---|
| Calculation method | The angles for Subuh and Isyak | Choose the method that matches your Malaysian source |
| Asr setting | When Asr starts | Match the school you follow at home |
| Adjustments | Minutes added or taken off each prayer | Set them to zero first, then compare |
| Location | Times shift with the city | Update the city after landing |
The method is the first thing to check. A gap of a few minutes at Subuh and Isyak points to it, while a gap of a whole hour points to a wrong location or time zone.
How do you match JAKIM’s times?
Do this at home, before you travel.
- Open the app and set your Malaysian town as the location.
- Look up JAKIM’s times for your zone on the same day.
- Compare each prayer, then change the method, then the Asr setting, then the adjustments, one at a time.
- Stop when the app matches JAKIM, then save or screenshot the settings.
On the trip, change only the location. Keep the other settings as they are, so you are using the same rule as at home.
Does the time zone change?
Your phone clock may change, so be sure the app is following it. South Korea is one hour ahead of Malaysia1, while Thailand2 and Vietnam3 are one hour behind. Taiwan shares Malaysia’s time4.
Even where the clock matches, your prayer times will not, because they follow the city. After landing, update the location and check the date.
What if the local mosque disagrees?
A mosque may use a different method, and that is normal. Both can be sound. If the gap is a few minutes, ask a staff member or your ustaz which to follow. If you plan to combine prayers while travelling, ask your ustaz or your state mufti office what applies to you.
For your own planning, work from your matched settings and keep a small margin so you are not rushing the end of a window.
What other checks help?
- Compare two apps once on the first day, to confirm they agree.
- Keep the app updated, but not during a trip day, in case settings reset.
- Turn on notifications for each prayer, and test them at home.
- Save the times offline in case you have no signal at the sight.
- Do not use an old screenshot from a different city.
Your next step
Once your settings are matched, mark each day’s prayers on the prayer-stop itinerary checklist. To see how the day fits around them, read how to plan sightseeing around five daily prayers. If you are heading abroad for the first time, choosing a first overseas holiday as a Muslim Malaysian helps with the wider decisions, and the Prayer and daily pacing hub gathers the rest.
Tell us your phone and the apps you already use, and we will help you set up one consistent method before the trip.
Common questions
Why do two prayer apps show different times?
They calculate from the same sun but use different rules. The method sets the angles for Subuh and Isyak, the Asr setting follows a school of thought, and some apps add minutes for safety. Compare these settings first.
How do I match JAKIM times abroad?
At home, set the app to your Malaysian town and compare its times with JAKIM's for the same day. Change the method and adjustments until they match, then save the settings. When you travel, only update the location and keep the settings.
Should I follow the app or the local mosque?
Both are reasonable starting points. If your app and the local mosque differ by a few minutes, ask a staff member or your ustaz which to follow. Your own method may be the one you prefer, but a local mosque is a good check.
Do I change the time zone setting abroad?
Let the phone set it automatically, then check the date and city shown in the app. Wrong time zones are a common cause of times that look strange. If your phone does not update, switch on automatic time zone.
Can I trust offline prayer times?
Yes, if the app has stored the times for your city. Open the app on Wi-Fi after landing so it saves the right location, and re-check the next morning. If you switch city, open it again.
Sources
- South Korea is on UTC+09:00, 1 hour ahead of Malaysia (Malaysia is UTC+08:00). Wikipedia: List of time zones by country. Offsets exclude any daylight saving.
- Thailand is on UTC+07:00, 1 hour behind Malaysia (Malaysia is UTC+08:00). Wikipedia: List of time zones by country. Offsets exclude any daylight saving.
- Vietnam is on UTC+07:00, 1 hour behind Malaysia (Malaysia is UTC+08:00). Wikipedia: List of time zones by country. Offsets exclude any daylight saving.
- Taiwan is on UTC+08:00, the same time as Malaysia (Malaysia is UTC+08:00). Wikipedia: List of time zones by country. Offsets exclude any daylight saving.
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